The king of comics – Jack Kirby (1 of 2)
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I see you are a great fan o Kirby, I like his unique character designs, for example. But i wouldnt go so far as to say Gene or Steranko are copies of him, you dindt mention Neal Adams , so i assume he owes little to kyrby, other comic ilustrators such as Wally Wood, Eisner , and going back , Harold Foster or CC Beck, are on a par if not better than Kirby. I think one thing that afeceted Jack s qork, was thw fact he made too much so he got sloppy on details.
Finally you can notice that the King needed a good army to win, eith that I am saying that for me on his Marvel Run the best inker he paired with was Joe Sinott, others like Chic Stone dint make his work shine as much, so it is a colaboration.
Let’s just say your favorite artist is like your fave food or music. Everybody differs. However, I’m sure, if pressed, Steranko, Adams and Colan will tell you Kirby showed the ”right way’ to do super-hero comics in particular. He invented the ‘language’. Ask Alex Ross or John Byrne or Jim Lee. They know.
Ask Neal Adams, Jim Lee, John Romita, Steranko, Mignola (the list goes on and on) Kirby is GOD lol
Yes I I am well aware that Kirby has a great influence, and that artists like Byrne and Miller adore him, he is a legend in his own right, a cretor of concepts, characters, etc, but that doesnt make him my favorite classic artist, for me Colan, and Steranko are better,. And as for inventing the super-hero language, that is an arguably statment, Siegel and Shuster were there before, and althogh not in costiume Alex Raymond s Flash Gordon, is a big influence.
@TheVetoSkreeemer
I would say Kirby didn’t create his work in a vacuum and there are quite a few artists who were an influence on him, Lou Fine, Will Eisner, Hal Foster,
Mort Meskin, and others.
As for Kirby having invented
the super-hero language well there was
Siegel and Schuster,
Bob Kane and Bill Finger and others who technically created what we know to be the super-hero comicbook, however IMHO Simon & Kirby were the first ones who really brought it to life.
Well i agre with most of what you said. What I ve been trying to do in this posts is to compare Kirby to other artists, because as unfair as was the medium to Jack on his life, there was a bunch of other artists who were7are as capable as Kirby. So in my opinion there are many Kings on comics, i dont mean to overlook or neglect any, and some in my opinion were better than Kirby.
@TheVetoSkreeemer
Well Kirby is my favorite artist and creator I would put him in any top ten list but sure there are other artists who match up to Kirby as to wheither they’re actually “better than Kirby”
is for at least for me subjective.
Basil Wolverton, Jack Cole, Eisner,
Carl Barks, Walt Kelly, Frazetta,
Lou Fine, Crumb, Foster,
Kurtzman, C C Beck,
and alot of others who were
IMO as capable as Kirby was but an artist who was or is better than Kirby?
Sorry but I disagree.
@TheVetoSkreeemer
No disrespect to Colan, Steranko,
or any other artist intended there,
all of the names you’ve mentioned are giants in their own right.
Yup that is what i was talking about. Hope new Giants appear on comicdom soon.
@TheVetoSkreeemer
Well I hope so too, but the more time
I spend in my back issue boxes,
the more cynical I get about
90-95 percent of all modern comic artists.
One can only hope. I see by the names you mention that you are a fan of Classic artists, but from recent ages i like the work of Brian Bolland, Arthur Adams, George Perez, Barry Smith (Conan Work), Ross Andru, Steven Bissette, Mike Mignola, Dave Mc Kean, and John Byrne. I dont like all theri work and have not listed them in any order of quality, and given time i can think of more great artists, maybe three or four on this list can be on a par with the classics what do you think?
@TheVetoSkreeemer
Well I’m more of a fan of comicbook and comicstrip artists from the 19th century up till 1945 and maybe a couple of artists from the 1960s Jack Kirby & Steve Ditko and a couple of others,
artists from the 1970s don’t do alot for me except for Wrightson and Frazetta,
I’ve been kind of sour on on alot of comic art of the last thirty years but there are a few artists I like
Dave McKean, Mike Mignola, Chris Ware,
Corben, Brian Bolland, Art Adams, Bissette, Eddie Campbell,
@cha5 Cont
Melinda Gebbie, Crumb (especially his Book Of Genesis),
Art Spiegleman (Maus),
Alex Ross (when he really puts his heart into something) Jack Jaxon, Toth,
Bill Watterson, Frank Cho, Dave Gibbons, Charles Vess, Michael Kaluta, Scoli, Mobius, Hugo Pratt, Kevin O’ Neil,
and a few others.
My favorite cross hatcher of all time is Thomas Nast, There’s quite a few other artists I’ve got a passion for but that would be a massive list.
You see al the medium need is a few good men , or artists, I also like Wrightson, and in my last post forgot to mention Matt Wagner, David Mazzucheli , who left superheor field , and is stil doing magnificent stuff like City of glass, Bill Sienkiewickz, even though in my opinion he has narrative problems on his comics, so his covers are better, and Frnak Miller early stuff ( 1978-1986). Keep enjoying your classic comics cha5
@TheVetoSkreeemer Yeah Frank Miller’s early works are great up to about
1986-1987, his more recent work like that Spirit movie and his take on Batman along with Jim Lee I’ll have to pass on,
“What are you, retarded or something?
I’m the goddamn Batman!” LOL
Batman + Dirty Harry= drudge of a comicbook
All the best and thanks for sharing your thoughts on this artform TheVetoSkreemer
Cool art of Silver Surfer
wow didnt know jack was jewish seems like alot of the artists in comic books back then were jewish…or am i being stupid?
A large amount of the major comicbook creators of the 1930s-1940s were poor Jewish kids from New York’s
Lower East Side,
Will Eisner
Jack Kirby
Joe Simon
Siegel & Shuster
Bob Kane
Harvey Kurtzman
Will Elder
Bernie Krigstein
Stan Lee and alot of others,
Kirby’s original name was
Jacob Kurtzberg.
According to Mark Evanier one way to really get Kirby angry would be to suggest he changed his name because he wanted to conceal his Jewish heritage.
“It was just a desire to sound like a “professional”. “Kurtzberg” didn’t sound like a famous writer and artist.
“Kirby” he thought did”
‘Kirby: King Of Comics’
@cha5 well i think the only one who changed his name to get a job was stan lee, think he said he was afraid they wouldnt give him a job at marvel cause he was a jew, but i wasnt saying kirby was afraid, just realized most of the earlier artists were jewish lol
Yeah there’s a funny little bit in a comic on comicbook creators that took place back in the early 1940s in which Stan was talking to Joe Simon
about changing his name.
Simon
“So you want to change your name from Stan Lieber to ‘Stanley’?!? is that going to be your first name or your last name?”
Stan
“Which ever you think sounds best Joe”
Simon
“I think it sounds Chinese”
@cha5 hhaha funny
most were jewish. look at early Superman by Jerry Siegel and Joe Shuster he is a metaphor of a jewish immigrant in the early 1900’s only faster than a speeding bullet and able to leap buildings in a single bound
He will forever be one of my heroes!